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Default The Legendary Super Saiyan: Is he stronger than a Super Saiyan 3?

Hey everyone.
Now, the Super Saiyan of Legend is supposed to be Broly but, as we all know he was defeated on three occasions, once by Goku (Having all the Saiyans power) another time by Gohan, Goku and Goten (Gohan and Goku are supposed as Super Saiyan 2) and the final time (His clone - Bio Broly) by Goten, Trunks and Krillin (though, they only won because the Bio chemical covering Broly solidified).

Now, anyone who has seen 'Broly: The Second Coming' will know that Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and Legendary Super Saiyan Broly fought each other and that Broly was winning until he was teamed up on (This has so far been the only way to defeat Broly in Dragonball Z).

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Unlike the regular Super Saiyan, Broly's ki is said to increase as a fight goes on. It is never expressed what his true physical limits are in this form, which has lead many fans to believe that he has a limitless potential. This however, is unconfirmed. All of Broly's abilities are seen to increase with this transformation, even his speed which was an ability that was seen to decrease with the similar transformation of Ultra Super Saiyan.
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The power of this form is likely greater than a Super Saiyan 2 as he almost easily outstriped Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 form during his awakening on Earth, but Gohan was said to have been far stronger as a SSJ2 7 years ago, so it's unknown how he would've fared then (Though Goku's reaction to Broly threatening Gohan implies that it probably would have been the same as it was in their fight).
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There are still many arguments as to who really is "the Super Saiyan of legend" (not the suggested form). It's obvious that Broly is the so called "Legendary" Super Saiyan because of his odd, yet astounding power, but on the other hand, Goku reaches almost all of the known levels of the Super Saiyan forms (apart from the Legendary Super Saiyan, for obvious reasons). Throughout the series, there have been many different stories about the true legend, some very different from others. However, we'll never truly know who is the Super Saiyan of legend.
Now, in the two games 'Dragon Battles' and 'Raging Blast' Broly is shown to have a Legendary Super Saiyan 3 form, I know this isn't cannon but if we accept this then Broly in that form would be unimaginably powerful and basically unstoppable.

It's a given that Broly is stronger than an SS2 but what do you guys think about Broly being stronger than a Super Saiyan 3?

It's obvious that Legendary Super Saiyan 3 Broly would beat any Super Siayan 3 into the ground (excluding what-ifs like Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta and Vegetto).

I think it's quite likely, Broly obviously cannot be killed simply and his strength only continues to increase as he fights so eventually after fighting a Super Saiyan 3 and not dying his power would reach unprecedented levels and he'd be able to win.

So, theoretically, Broly is the strongest character ever to appear in Dragonball Z.
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Broly is only stronger then a weakened SSJ2. Gohan hadn't trained for 7 years and that was the first time he used SSJ2. He wasn't even at full power. We see no rage. If that were Goku or Vegeta, the outcome would have been different.
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Broly is only stronger then a weakened SSJ2. Gohan hadn't trained for 7 years and that was the first time he used SSJ2. He wasn't even at full power. We see no rage. If that were Goku or Vegeta, the outcome would have been different.
I disagree, it's easy to say that "Gohan didn't train for 7 years" but I bet if you used to train as a child and stopped when you were around 14 (Assuming Teen Gohan's age) you'd still be stronger 7 years later due to becoming larger and your muscles developing, I'm sure it's the same for a Saiyan if not a larger gap.

Goku was most likely a Super Saiyan 2 when he came to help Gohan and Gotenks, meaning it took a lot to eventually kill him.
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Default Re: The Legendary Super Saiyan: Is he stronger than a Super Saiyan 3?

No your assumption is wrong.

For one, just because you get older and bigger doesn't mean you neccesarily get stronger.
Goku and Vegeta both said that Gohan got much weaker and that he was stronger during the Cell Games. Vegeta actually managed to stay at the same power during his time in Hell when he couldn't train at all.

We see no sparks for Goku when he comes down. So no jumping conclusions.
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No your assumption is wrong.

For one, just because you get older and bigger doesn't mean you neccesarily get stronger.
Goku and Vegeta both said that Gohan got much weaker and that he was stronger during the Cell Games. Vegeta actually managed to stay at the same power during his time in Hell when he couldn't train at all.

We see no sparks for Goku when he comes down. So no jumping conclusions.
I would like you to note that Super Saiyan 2s don't seen to retain their sparks, they are missing a LOT of times, although the hair has the appearance of Super Saiyan 2 then static is not present.

I'm pretty sure if you saw Super Saiyan 3 Goku with his hair and then no sparks you wouldn't say "He's only a Super Saiyan, there's no sparks"

Secondly, Vegeta and Goku never saw Gohan ascended to Super Saiyan 2, he may have been weaker in his normal form but his power and control over Super Saiyan 2 improved. This is obvious when Gohan doesn't become over-confident when he uses Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura.
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Default Re: The Legendary Super Saiyan: Is he stronger than a Super Saiyan 3?

No, thats a bad example because SSJ3 obviously has the long hair. But SSJ2 has to have sparks. Name one time when they are at SSJ2 and there are no sparks present.

They still saw that he was weaker in his SSJ form. So he obviously was weaker in his SSJ2 form. And to correct you they both saw him in SSJ2 at the tournament against Kabito. Vegeta noted that he was weaker.
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No, thats a bad example because SSJ3 obviously has the long hair. But SSJ2 has to have sparks. Name one time when they are at SSJ2 and there are no sparks present.

They still saw that he was weaker in his SSJ form. So he obviously was weaker in his SSJ2 form. And to correct you they both saw him in SSJ2 at the tournament against Kabito. Vegeta noted that he was weaker.
Super Saiyan 2 doesn't necessarily have sparks.

Here's some proof for you:
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some scenes of the show as well as pictures from the manga, is the electrical aura, many electrical sparks (normally blue, gold in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 3) that constantly surround the body — especially when charging up. However, they aren't always present (especially in the anime; Gohan and Vegeta aren't the only ones who lack the trait completely in some episodes), and some fans sometimes mistake a charging Super Saiyan for a Super Saiyan 2 due to the lightning sparks
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1. The Dragonball Wikia is a bunch of crap.
2. Video Games are not even close to being accurate to the manga.
3. I asked for a scene.
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well mostly goku beat broly without reaching ssj3 meaning he could probbably destroy broly in ssj3 and not to talk about if he went ssj2 than broly would become dust
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well mostly goku beat broly without reaching ssj3 meaning he could probbably destroy broly in ssj3 and not to talk about if he went ssj2 than broly would become dust
Excatly. SSJ2 Goku = Broly's destruction.
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