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Default Re: Tien vs. Freeza.

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I fail to see where Tien has been proven to be weaker than Frieza at the end of Z.
I fail to say how Tien suddenly become Stronger than Frieza with no evidences whatsoever.

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He can defelct Buutenks' ki blasts
SS Vegeta also deflected Kid Buu Blast. So I guess SS Vegeta is stronger than Kid Buu amirite? Right after Tien deflect that blast, Buutenks summon an even stronger one, which Tien could not block. Blocking someone ki of course doesn't determine power.

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and survived being kicked by him.
Tien got KO by that kick, and him survivng is due to PIS and CIS.

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That suggests that Tien has indeed increased in strength.
I will say this again. We all know that Tien is stronger than he was Back in Sayian Arc. We are saying, Tien being strong as Frieza is totally far fetched. Especially he doesn't have the feats for it.

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That is unless you're saying that a regular human can deflect those ki blasts and survive that kick.
Like Mr. Satan? Oh wait, its called PIS.

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There is no evidence, at least none that has been brought forward, that suggests Tien is weaker than a Super Saiyan still.
No Human suprass a Super Saiyan.

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Plus, you must realize just how prideful Frieza is.
Yeah no. Frieza is Blood lust in this Fight. He going for the Kill. So the Rest you said is Invaild.
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Default Re: Tien vs. Freeza.

If Frieza is bloodlusted, then he would go out for blood. He wouldn't go for the win. So using the planet buster attack would be against that train of thought. Bloodlusters are out to cause pain and bleed their opponent out. So that does not mean they would go for the sure fire way of winning.

Can you tell me where you concrete evidence or even partial speculative proof is that says that no human is as strong as a Super Saiyan? You're side lacks evidence or even anything that would partially suggest to Tien's weakness. We all seem to agree that Tien increased in strength from Saiyan Saga to Cell Saga. We do not know how much he increased in strength. One can assume then that training makes you stronger. Tien continued to train after Cell. Therefore he would've gotten stronger. Do I have proof that says he was Super Saiyan tier? No. Do you have proof saying he wasn't Super Saiyan tier? No.

Therefore, my side has no evidence and neither does your side. However, my side at least has the knowledge that training increases strength. Tien trained continuously. Therefore he got stronger. How much stronger? We do not know. That states that Tien did indeed increase in strength and that supports my argument. Your argument is that Tien could never reach that power level and thus was not Super Saiyan tier by the end of Z. Your argument goes unsupported. We know Tien got stronger from training. We do not know where his strength got to. Therefore we must rely on assumptions. Due to any lack of proof that humans are incapable of attaining Super Saiyan tier by some mystical means, the assumption that it is possible for his strength to rise that high must be allowed.

This argument now revolves around the lack of proof stating that Tien cannot by any means reach Super Saiyan tier. Without that proof the assumption that Tien could be that strong is undisputed. Yes, we can assume he wasn't that strong. However, we know training makes you stronger. Therefore we can assume his strength grew over the years of training. And without proof that something stopped his power from rising to Super Saiyan level my assumption makes more logical sense.

Humans cannot be stronger or as strong as Frieza. Why is that? Did that Kai state that? Akira Toriyama say that? Or did you say that without any means of support?

Remember that the planet busting catagory is now obsolete. As it only classifies you as being able to blow up or having blown up a planet. It says nothing about stength.
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If Frieza is bloodlusted, then he would go out for blood.
Go Check the General Terms I made to see the word Blood Lust in debates. Frieza is out to kill his oppoenet in any means nesscary, which in turn Frieza speedblitz or bust the area Tien is Standing. If he wanted, Planet Bust the Earth to end the match as it is.

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Can you tell me where you concrete evidence or even partial speculative proof is that says that no human is as strong as a Super Saiyan?
Can you tell me any evidences that suggest Tien is SSj Tier? If Not, you cannot assumed Tien is on par with SSj without any evidences.

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You're side lacks evidence or even anything that would partially suggest to Tien's weakness.
Yours as well. Along with using PIS evidences to hype Tien to a level he should never been on.

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We all seem to agree that Tien increased in strength from Saiyan Saga to Cell Saga. We do not know how much he increased in strength. One can assume then that training makes you stronger. Tien continued to train after Cell. Therefore he would've gotten stronger.
Its obivous that the Training Tien gone through doesn't sky rockets to Frieza's Level. Sayians' Bodies rely on intense training along with Zenkai Boost. Humans cannot handle these factors.

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Do you have proof saying he wasn't Super Saiyan tier? No.
Let me ask you this. How can Tien suddenly went from being 1830 to 530,000 by training in the Mountains with a Floating Mime?

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Humans cannot be stronger or as strong as Frieza. Why is that?
Because they never shown any feats of putting them above that level? (Expect for Uub)

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Remember that the planet busting catagory is now obsolete.
Yeah no. Freiza can still Planet Bust. And even if Tien somehow survive, Frieza can just leave him to died in Space.


Tien was manhandled by 17, which Imperfect Cell stomps which Ascended SSj Vegeta lolstomp.

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Default Re: Tien vs. Freeza.

From what I see, neither of us can bring forth any actual evidence. Yes, you counter everything I say. You do not, however, support your argument. This entire debate is now in a stalemate. You cannot prove Frieza to be stronger than Tien at the end of Z and I cannot prove he was. Case closed.

How about you outline for us what planet busting? Cause there have been debates surrounding the very meaning of the term. Is it meant to (A) classify people who CAN destroy planets? I know you're quite against that. Is it meant to (B) classify people who HAVE destroyed planets? If so then it is invalid in arguments to state such beyond the point of the fact that they can do so.

A) If they can destroy planets then they are on that list. Meaning if their power level is higher than at least Frieza's they belong on the list. As such it is a valid means of discusing power levels.

B) If the have destroyed planets, then the list is simply that; a list. In this definition the planet busting list could have anyone of multiple power levels. As such, saying that Frieza is a planet buster (which is above moon buster in the tier list) would mean that Frieza could defeat Cell and is thus stronger or more dangerous. We all know that to be malarky. So this version of the list is useful in finding out only who has destroyed planets in the past (ex. Yes, Frieza is indeed a planet buster. He destroyed Namek and Planet Vegeta. Is therefore a planet buster.).
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Default Re: Tien vs. Freeza.

Freeza was blood lusted against Goku and you saw how that worked out for him.

Tien dodged Super Buu's human genocide attack with not much of an issue and that's seem to have been forgotten.

Tien also never stopped training, and that doesn't mean he's going to become Super Tien.

His power should have substantually increased and been to SOME degree of power to take ANY sort of effect. Simply putting it off like it's nothing is like saying Master Roshi could have done that against Cell, or Chiaotsu.
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Default Re: Tien vs. Freeza.

Hey hey hey, how did we suddenly get to talking about whether Tien was stronger than anyone BESIDES Frieza?

True, Tien would have become stronger through training. But few things we need to raise:

1. It wasn't outlined just how INTENSE his training was.

2. He's a human. Humans aren't the same as Saiyans, as Shari raised. Saiyans' limits increase every time they hit the limit and successfully surpassed it. Humans, on the other hand, just have limits. You get stronger, but the question is can you increase your power just as much as a Saiyan can? Hell no. There's only so much the human body can take.

I doubt that EOZ Tien would be strong enough to beat Mecha Frieza. Nu-uh. Maybe enough to be on par with Frieza in his first form, but not beyond that.
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Default Re: Tien vs. Freeza.

Then again it's all debatable that Tien is even "human" three-eyes.
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Default Re: Tien vs. Freeza.

Officially, he's human so is chaotzu and even Korin...
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Korin the cat? o_O
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Default Re: Tien vs. Freeza.

choutzu is meant to be a emperor of another planet and tien is meant to have been descended from a triclops like race so he would be part human at best according to some sources they are both questionable in origin korin is a cat for sure though
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